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		<title>By: Tracy Elwell</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter is 5 years old and started Gymnastics a year ago, she is a group of 6 which consists of 2 5 year olds and 4 7 year olds.

My daughter is about average height and the other girl is quite tall, but even at this age they both excel over the other girls.  They train for 4 hours a week and spend one day working towards their grade, as they older girls will take theirs next year. 

But even the coach has said they are more likely to be more ready next year than the others.

I was a Regional Gymnasts prior to a serious knee injury and my daughter is far more talented than I was, I did not start until I was 8 years old and could not cartwheel then.  My daughter cartwheels on the beam.

The height of the gymnasts is not the main factor, my daughter is very petite in size and a lot of people think she is underweight, she isn&#039;t.  Even at this age she works so hard and conditions every night for 45 minutes.  She is very strong and determine to success.

I never wanted her to go into the sport and now I have accepted that she wants to do it and we encourage her.  I would be disappointed if she was to quit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter is 5 years old and started Gymnastics a year ago, she is a group of 6 which consists of 2 5 year olds and 4 7 year olds.</p>
<p>My daughter is about average height and the other girl is quite tall, but even at this age they both excel over the other girls.  They train for 4 hours a week and spend one day working towards their grade, as they older girls will take theirs next year. </p>
<p>But even the coach has said they are more likely to be more ready next year than the others.</p>
<p>I was a Regional Gymnasts prior to a serious knee injury and my daughter is far more talented than I was, I did not start until I was 8 years old and could not cartwheel then.  My daughter cartwheels on the beam.</p>
<p>The height of the gymnasts is not the main factor, my daughter is very petite in size and a lot of people think she is underweight, she isn&#8217;t.  Even at this age she works so hard and conditions every night for 45 minutes.  She is very strong and determine to success.</p>
<p>I never wanted her to go into the sport and now I have accepted that she wants to do it and we encourage her.  I would be disappointed if she was to quit!</p>
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		<title>By: Adde</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Zmeskal is another gymnast coached by Bela. And there are plenty of examples, but not Shannon Miller. I think it&#039;s confusing mentioning him as her coach. Otherwise, great post, very realistical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Zmeskal is another gymnast coached by Bela. And there are plenty of examples, but not Shannon Miller. I think it&#8217;s confusing mentioning him as her coach. Otherwise, great post, very realistical.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Just another opinion
Hi Just Another Opinion (great name!) 

First off, thank you so much for your detailed comment, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Thanks for taking the time to read and to reply. I&#039;m glad that you did because I feel you have explained a lot to the readers and subscribers to Full Twist that wouldn&#039;t be &quot;in the know&quot; as such.

 I found that part very tough to write, but you are correct in the sport size does matter. I definitely agree with you that taller gymnasts are going to need to be stronger to get themselves through moves. I&#039;ve been asked many times why gymnasts always seem to be small and I really didn&#039;t notice it myself until I looked at the gymnasts in my own club, most of them are teeny! In saying that height is a factor that we look for, I suppose it&#039;s more so meant in terms of their size as you suggested but sure kids at 5 and 6 are very prone to &quot;puppy fat&quot; so again we can&#039;t discriminate! I know that size and obesity is becoming a huge problem in America and it is starting to become a terrible problem here in Europe too. 

I suppose part of the coaches role is to help the children understand their bodies and to how to stay healthy, I like to coach with this philosophy anyway. I recently taught one of my groups about posture (in brief) and they were delighted, had great fun making up names for the different types of good and bad posture. Their parents thanked me and said that they even learned a little bit too!

 I am definitely of the opinion of if you are not so talented at sport X, maybe sport Y is for you. Although we did have an amazing kid who was brilliant but left gym to pursue tennis (she was equally good at both sports) and is now a National tennis champion. In fairness to her, it probably was the right choice as it is difficult to go very far in gymnastics in Ireland (and that&#039;s a whole other blog post!! :) ) Yes there doesn&#039;t seem to be as much squabble in regards to mens sports. I think more in womens sports it is the whole controversy of eating disorders etc. I don&#039;t know if that is still much of a problem in the US now as it was before? I did read Jennifers Sey&#039;s book &quot;Chalked Up&quot; and was surprised at the lengths that the gymnasts went to, to meet their targets for their weigh ins. It really was shocking and very sad to read, I suppose there was tremendous pressure on them.

Thanks again for your brilliant lengthy comment! :)</description>
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Hi Just Another Opinion (great name!) </p>
<p>First off, thank you so much for your detailed comment, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Thanks for taking the time to read and to reply. I&#8217;m glad that you did because I feel you have explained a lot to the readers and subscribers to Full Twist that wouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;in the know&#8221; as such.</p>
<p> I found that part very tough to write, but you are correct in the sport size does matter. I definitely agree with you that taller gymnasts are going to need to be stronger to get themselves through moves. I&#8217;ve been asked many times why gymnasts always seem to be small and I really didn&#8217;t notice it myself until I looked at the gymnasts in my own club, most of them are teeny! In saying that height is a factor that we look for, I suppose it&#8217;s more so meant in terms of their size as you suggested but sure kids at 5 and 6 are very prone to &#8220;puppy fat&#8221; so again we can&#8217;t discriminate! I know that size and obesity is becoming a huge problem in America and it is starting to become a terrible problem here in Europe too. </p>
<p>I suppose part of the coaches role is to help the children understand their bodies and to how to stay healthy, I like to coach with this philosophy anyway. I recently taught one of my groups about posture (in brief) and they were delighted, had great fun making up names for the different types of good and bad posture. Their parents thanked me and said that they even learned a little bit too!</p>
<p> I am definitely of the opinion of if you are not so talented at sport X, maybe sport Y is for you. Although we did have an amazing kid who was brilliant but left gym to pursue tennis (she was equally good at both sports) and is now a National tennis champion. In fairness to her, it probably was the right choice as it is difficult to go very far in gymnastics in Ireland (and that&#8217;s a whole other blog post!! <img src='http://fulltwist.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) Yes there doesn&#8217;t seem to be as much squabble in regards to mens sports. I think more in womens sports it is the whole controversy of eating disorders etc. I don&#8217;t know if that is still much of a problem in the US now as it was before? I did read Jennifers Sey&#8217;s book &#8220;Chalked Up&#8221; and was surprised at the lengths that the gymnasts went to, to meet their targets for their weigh ins. It really was shocking and very sad to read, I suppose there was tremendous pressure on them.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your brilliant lengthy comment! <img src='http://fulltwist.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Just Another Opinion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there is no proven reason why a taller gymnast cannot be as good as a smaller one.&quot;

Regarding height, I imagine taller girls are more susceptible to certain injuries, and shorter girls to other injuries, so there&#039;s probably a give/take in that regard. If a coach finds a certain injury more difficult to work with or train around, and a certain size girl is more likely to suffer that injury at some point, then maybe that&#039;s not the worst reason to intentionally or unintentionally have an aversion to a specific size girl.

But otherwise, the taller the girl is, the more exponentially strong she&#039;s going to need to be in order to rotate her length (flipping/twisting/etc.). The longer the body, the slower the rotation, so it may very well be the case that after a certain size, without what might be an impossible increase in strength, a certain amount of mass just wouldn&#039;t be capable of moving in the path necessary to perform a specific skill. There&#039;s certainly a reason most gymnasts aren&#039;t very tall, and I doubt that it&#039;s solely coach-preference, as there are definitely enough gyms out there with all-inclusive philosophies, who don&#039;t exclude everyone but potential elites. 

I think though most people in this world are reluctant to admit that size does matter because it does tend to prefer the size and shape that is less common among most women (and most American kids) and that&#039;s somewhat troubling, emotionally, because no one wants to be accused of segregating the skinny kids from the &quot;fat&quot; kids, and whenever we talk about kids in general, we don&#039;t want to run the risk of saying anything the strays from &quot;all kids are wonderful&quot; or &quot;all kids have the potential to be anything they want to be.&quot; Those values are rooted deep into our American ideals, so we have a hard time admitting to ourselves and others that, no, Susie Lardbutt really isn&#039;t going to be very successful in the long run if she tries to do gymnastics (especially if she doesn&#039;t put in the time and energy, and have the discipline necessary to maintain healthy eating habits). 

I think there&#039;s not as much of this size-skirting issue with men&#039;s sports. We seem to have less of a problem telling short guys they&#039;re not likely to be successful in basketball or frail guys that they&#039;ll die on the football field or get snapped in half in wrestling. Maybe it&#039;s just societal pressure, to &quot;protect&quot; our little girls from being too self-concious about their weight, shape, appearance, etc. Plausible, a good intention at heart, but I think we&#039;d have fewer self-esteem issues if we addressed reality earlier on, that way no bubble shatters unapologetically later in life leading to the meltdowns. 

All sports have their helpful shapes, especially at the highest levels. I don&#039;t see a problem with that. We just need to view it in the positive light, not the negative. Instead of being upset that you&#039;re not built for sport X, be proud you are built for sport Y, and if you&#039;re truly a sporting, competitive person, you can learn to love sport Y just as much as sport X, because at the core of it, sport is sport, and after it all, if you walk away from sport Y, and your size/shape helped you be successful and avoid injury, that&#039;s a good thing.

I rambled. I do that. My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there is no proven reason why a taller gymnast cannot be as good as a smaller one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding height, I imagine taller girls are more susceptible to certain injuries, and shorter girls to other injuries, so there&#8217;s probably a give/take in that regard. If a coach finds a certain injury more difficult to work with or train around, and a certain size girl is more likely to suffer that injury at some point, then maybe that&#8217;s not the worst reason to intentionally or unintentionally have an aversion to a specific size girl.</p>
<p>But otherwise, the taller the girl is, the more exponentially strong she&#8217;s going to need to be in order to rotate her length (flipping/twisting/etc.). The longer the body, the slower the rotation, so it may very well be the case that after a certain size, without what might be an impossible increase in strength, a certain amount of mass just wouldn&#8217;t be capable of moving in the path necessary to perform a specific skill. There&#8217;s certainly a reason most gymnasts aren&#8217;t very tall, and I doubt that it&#8217;s solely coach-preference, as there are definitely enough gyms out there with all-inclusive philosophies, who don&#8217;t exclude everyone but potential elites. </p>
<p>I think though most people in this world are reluctant to admit that size does matter because it does tend to prefer the size and shape that is less common among most women (and most American kids) and that&#8217;s somewhat troubling, emotionally, because no one wants to be accused of segregating the skinny kids from the &#8220;fat&#8221; kids, and whenever we talk about kids in general, we don&#8217;t want to run the risk of saying anything the strays from &#8220;all kids are wonderful&#8221; or &#8220;all kids have the potential to be anything they want to be.&#8221; Those values are rooted deep into our American ideals, so we have a hard time admitting to ourselves and others that, no, Susie Lardbutt really isn&#8217;t going to be very successful in the long run if she tries to do gymnastics (especially if she doesn&#8217;t put in the time and energy, and have the discipline necessary to maintain healthy eating habits). </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s not as much of this size-skirting issue with men&#8217;s sports. We seem to have less of a problem telling short guys they&#8217;re not likely to be successful in basketball or frail guys that they&#8217;ll die on the football field or get snapped in half in wrestling. Maybe it&#8217;s just societal pressure, to &#8220;protect&#8221; our little girls from being too self-concious about their weight, shape, appearance, etc. Plausible, a good intention at heart, but I think we&#8217;d have fewer self-esteem issues if we addressed reality earlier on, that way no bubble shatters unapologetically later in life leading to the meltdowns. </p>
<p>All sports have their helpful shapes, especially at the highest levels. I don&#8217;t see a problem with that. We just need to view it in the positive light, not the negative. Instead of being upset that you&#8217;re not built for sport X, be proud you are built for sport Y, and if you&#8217;re truly a sporting, competitive person, you can learn to love sport Y just as much as sport X, because at the core of it, sport is sport, and after it all, if you walk away from sport Y, and your size/shape helped you be successful and avoid injury, that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>I rambled. I do that. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

I included Miller in that list as I thought that some people would know her name better than other gymnasts, especally for people that I know who are not involved in gymnastics but are interested in reading this blog.  Yes, Steve Nunno and Peggy Liddick deserve huge credit, Steve is an excellent coach. Apologies if this has offended you.

You&#039;re right Betty Okino is a great example, thanks for your input!</description>
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<p>I included Miller in that list as I thought that some people would know her name better than other gymnasts, especally for people that I know who are not involved in gymnastics but are interested in reading this blog.  Yes, Steve Nunno and Peggy Liddick deserve huge credit, Steve is an excellent coach. Apologies if this has offended you.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right Betty Okino is a great example, thanks for your input!</p>
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		<title>By: traceysomewhere</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious but Bela never coached Shannon Miller.  Are you referring to Bela&#039;s years as the main coach that was seen on the floor of Olympic/World competitions?  Steve Nunno and Peggy Liddick really deserve all credit or link to Shannon Miller&#039;s gymnastics coaching.

Betty Okino would be a great example of a Karolyi coached gymnast with a different body type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious but Bela never coached Shannon Miller.  Are you referring to Bela&#8217;s years as the main coach that was seen on the floor of Olympic/World competitions?  Steve Nunno and Peggy Liddick really deserve all credit or link to Shannon Miller&#8217;s gymnastics coaching.</p>
<p>Betty Okino would be a great example of a Karolyi coached gymnast with a different body type.</p>
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